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the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing the word lunatic from all federal laws. it's the latest move by congress to remove language seen as demeaning or out of date, like lunatic. >>> and in australia, prime minister julia gillard talked about the supposed prediction by the mayan calendar that the end of the world is coming in two weeks. well, she did it for a comedy video for a radio show. >> i'm confident in the prediction that the world is about to end. whether the final blow comes from flesh-eating zombies, demonic hill beasts or from the total triumph of cable, if you know one thing about me, it is this, i will always fight for you
the arguments for higher taxes for the wealthy are getting very tense. ann coulter even tried a reality check on sean hannity. >> are you saying, then, for pr purposes, that they should give in to obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am, but -- >> you're saying capitulate to obama, who -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. >>> meanwhile, the house of representatives passed legislation yesterday removing...
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it does tend to complicate the tax code. the simplest way is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code. but if that's politically for difficult, there's a willingness to retain the deductions that they could utilize. >> let me ask you about that. another interesting scenario played out with mitch mcconnell, essentially fill lee bust sistering his own bill. he says it has to guarantee that there won't be another debt ceiling crisis. but could that be where we're headed? >> well, it's certainly possible. it would be a terrible outcome and i think you're hearing business leaders weigh in and say, we don't want to go through this debate only to be followed by another big fight over the debt limit. and we just can't afford every year, every 18 months to have a debate about whether we honor the full faith and credit of the u.s. government. that's no way to run the country. >> what do you think the chances of that happening? >> it's possible. one o
it does tend to complicate the tax code. the simplest way is simply to raise the tax rates up to the clinton levels and, you know, we do have a strong interest in simplifying the tax code. but if that's politically for difficult, there's a willingness to retain the deductions that they could utilize. >> let me ask you about that. another interesting scenario played out with mitch mcconnell, essentially fill lee bust sistering his own bill. he says it has to guarantee that there won't be...
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so, you know, i think the discussion is is it really a tax problem or a tax and a spending problem? if we agree it is spending, let's start to talk about some of the spending. >> where will the compromise come, though? is there room to compromise on the tax percentage, or if you do the sliding scale and move it from the 250,000 benchmark to 500,000 income earnings benchmark. >> i think the discussion the speaker advanced which matches what the president talked about in terms of his campaign of $800 billion in new revenues, getting there through less deductions is on the table. at this point we want to see, mr. president you show us yours and we'll show us ours. these negotiations go step by step closer and closer. i do agree with an early panelist that said the president probably wants to be a little bit freer from his base and so does the speaker to some degree. we are very interested in the spending cuts, and i can tell you that if the president gives us a good deal that reduces spending, takes down the deficit, and turns the economy around and creates jobs, we're going to be all
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those middle class tax cuts in that legislation would protect the tax cuts for 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses. that, as we are in the midst of the holiday season, is absolutely essential to continuing to get our economy turned around and focus on job creation. >> "the new york times" reporting today that negotiations are now down to just two people. the president, the house speaker. we know that some senate democrats dispute this. what do you think about this point with regard to the negotiations and who's in the room? >> i know that the president and his advisers are focused on making sure that in the discussions that they have with both the house and the senate that whatever plan they agree to includes a balanced approach. one that's fair to the middle class and one whose math makes sense and reaches the size of the duff sit reduction we need that doesn't balance all the pain on the backs of the middle class and that makes sure that we have suspending cuts and revenue. when it comes to entitlement reform, we have an opportunity to add another hundreds of billions of doll
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the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the n
the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle class taxes do not go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> an added wrinkle to the fiscal cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach...
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enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning the white house. that's gone. so i think some of that is abated. >> and chris cizilla, john boehner seems to have more running room. you don't see eric cantor looking over his shoulder quite so much. >> i thought that one of the most fascinating things of the week, the "new york times" story that detailed what you're saying, andrea, that john boehner is in a stronger position than he was after the 2010 election. sort of consolidated his republican conference behind him. david is right, is i think what we know is republicans are willing ultimately, they may not say it today,
enough public sentiment saying give up on the tax breaks to get a bigger deal. the president could muscle through the tax rates on his own. risks on his side. why not force him into a position where they can get sort of a bigger deal. here's what i thought was important. republicans saying to me that, you know, last july when we had the debt debacle, the feeling was don't give the president a success, don't give him a big victory because we want to have a prospect of our own candidate winning...
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the way for the tax cuts. here is what he's having to say about that. >> none of us want to raise the rates on anybody. but the reality is the rates on everybody go up at the end of the month. since we agree with the democrats, 98% of the american people and 80% of the bush tax cuts, get it off the table now so they don't worry about it. they are the president's leverage. the democrats are screaming your taxes are going to go up. >> that's the president's leverage in this debate as he's saying there. if congress extends the tax cut for everyone except the 2%, does it give the republicans the leverage they need after the new year? >> yeah. we are still going to have the fight over the debt ceiling. obama would love to take it off the table now. there's no way republicans are going to give that up. it's a crucial piece of leverage than the tax rates. as we saw a year and a half ago, that is really sort of putting the basic fiscal health of the country at risk. a lot of republicans are looking at that saying this
the way for the tax cuts. here is what he's having to say about that. >> none of us want to raise the rates on anybody. but the reality is the rates on everybody go up at the end of the month. since we agree with the democrats, 98% of the american people and 80% of the bush tax cuts, get it off the table now so they don't worry about it. they are the president's leverage. the democrats are screaming your taxes are going to go up. >> that's the president's leverage in this debate as...
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. >> taxing the rich, they're against that. >> there are individual ins out there they can appeal to. my point is broadly speaking you cannot lump -- what demint is doing is saying this gaggle of conservatives will be following behind. the split is much more than you think it is within the party. that has to be reconciled, to be honest and to your point and your question about what would i say, i would say, look, understand where the -- >> you're center right and you think the country is. >> understand where the country is. that's where you need to be. >> on the rush limbaugh show yesterday, demint, the senator from south carolina just quit said conservative's problem is not their message, their problem is getting the message out. let's listen. >> i think the problem is, as conservatives, we have not taken enough control of our message and our ideas and communicated them directly to the american people. that's what we want to do at heritage. >> don't you love the way he chews on that togy? not that there's anything wrong with it. you're back here again. every party that loses an elect
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labor higher than we tax capitol. the republicans believe it does, they believe the higher you tax something the more you are discouraging it. there is bill crystal asking why do we want to tax labor more than capitol? that is the question. >> it is interesting. you are are seeing rank and file members of the party. you are starting to see the troops fall away. what would happen if for instance the senate bill were to be voted on in the house? >> they want to do it. and it would pass. we would have to get into these other questions. >> polls favoring the president in his approach and the outcome that he wants. and the polls i don't think that rush are limbaugh is reading those polls. >> there is no way to come to an agreement. the only thing that can happen is for one side to cave in. this is being realistic. there is no common ground here. there is no bipartisanship to be had. it ain't going to happen. there is no compromise. none. there is only concession. and that is what will happen. when rush doesn't want to soun
labor higher than we tax capitol. the republicans believe it does, they believe the higher you tax something the more you are discouraging it. there is bill crystal asking why do we want to tax labor more than capitol? that is the question. >> it is interesting. you are are seeing rank and file members of the party. you are starting to see the troops fall away. what would happen if for instance the senate bill were to be voted on in the house? >> they want to do it. and it would...
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house republicans would allow a vote on extending the bush middle class tax cuts. that bill already passed in august in the senate. and offer the president nothing more. no extension to the debt ceiling, nothing on unemployment, nothing on loopholes. congress would recess for the holidays and the president would face a big battle early in the year over the debt ceiling. ." two republican officials tell me this is becoming the most likely scenario. "the new york times" added more detail including this amazing quote from rep michael c. burgess of texas. "there's always better ground, but we have to get there." in this case the better ground is exchanging the threat of a congressionally induced recession for the threat of a congressionally induced global financial crisis combined with recession. that, that is your better ground? that's a big plan? it's not -- it's not better ground for the economy. and, frankly, i find it difficult to see how it's better political ground even for the gop. i figured, i didn't get it. so i figured this was beyond my small political brai
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they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's absurd. >> they won't say it to his face obviously. >> they'll tell it to other people. they ought to. >> when you're in the beltway, in the bubble, you realize things aren't quite as simple as all of that and things have to go through. there is this tremor, i think, going through state and local governments as well as the business community, what if they don't get it together? i think that's what they're going to convey. >> and you wonder why isn't the president playing the adult and saying let's get in a room now? why the posturing. when we come back, there was a lot of republican branding going on yesterday, happened somewhat accidentally, somewhat on purpose. trivia we ask, na
they don't mind taxes. you've got a different dynamic just because who is willing to go through the deadline? >> errol, the president will meet with those ceos. how many will look and say, you know what, hey, buddy, you stink at running negotiations. will you get into a room and work this out? enough of this public posturing. it's absurd. >> they won't say it to his face obviously. >> they'll tell it to other people. they ought to. >> when you're in the beltway, in the...
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they are saying we're not voting for a tax rise or a tax cut. we're kind of abstaining all around. well, if that's their position, fine. i think they call that not leading. >> secretary reich, what do you make of that? we talk about kibuki theater. is anything more kibuki than that, voting present instead of yes, abstaining instead of casting a vote one way or another? >> it's a game within a game within a game. and it's an insiders game. the fact of the matter is most americans, even if they're called republicans, even if they consider themselves conservatives, they understand that 98% of americans do deserve a tax cut, a continuation of the bush tax cuts. and they understand that the rich have never been as rich, and they've never paid an effective tax rate that is as low in living memory. if we have a budget deficit at all, it is only fair. and you don't have to be -- again you don't have to be a republican, you can be a common sense republican to understand that this requires that the bush tax cuts not be extended for the richest 2%. it is finally getting through. and i think t
they are saying we're not voting for a tax rise or a tax cut. we're kind of abstaining all around. well, if that's their position, fine. i think they call that not leading. >> secretary reich, what do you make of that? we talk about kibuki theater. is anything more kibuki than that, voting present instead of yes, abstaining instead of casting a vote one way or another? >> it's a game within a game within a game. and it's an insiders game. the fact of the matter is most americans,...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> first he supported and now he doesn't. we're talking about mitch mcconnell's legislation to avert defaulting on the nation's debt t would give the president greater power to raise the debt ceiling without approval, something the president wants. senator mcconnell brought up the legislation yesterday morning but by yesterday afternoon he was objecting. >> is there an objection? >> preserving the right to object matters of this controversy, what we're talking about is a perpetual debt ceiling grant in effect to the president. >> this morning, republican leader asked for consent on his proposal. just now i told everyone that we're willing to have that vote. up or down vote. and now
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> first he supported and now he doesn't. we're talking about mitch mcconnell's...
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saying we're not budging on tax breaks. we're not going to cave in on that. but, we might end up doing something. give me a little bit of room on entitlements. i understand that's the message and the progressive message is we'll give you a little room. we don't want to give you a lot. >> if you isolate the medicare piece of it, they don't want to do anything on the individual medicare rips. maybe we could do something on -- i think the progressive wish list would be to do something on negotiating drug prices, bringing that back from the old fight, the affordable care act. so i think there is wiggle room. i think democrats are dug in on not touching social security and i would be shocked if that even entered the conversation. >> the cpi change, something the president has offered and he's ready to do that. >> i think people want to protect medicaid, obviously, and would like to protect social security. i think medicare is the rule. >> thatour gaggle will stick ar. we'll hear from the white house officially when they can first talk about the jobs report. they c
saying we're not budging on tax breaks. we're not going to cave in on that. but, we might end up doing something. give me a little bit of room on entitlements. i understand that's the message and the progressive message is we'll give you a little room. we don't want to give you a lot. >> if you isolate the medicare piece of it, they don't want to do anything on the individual medicare rips. maybe we could do something on -- i think the progressive wish list would be to do something on...
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they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the case involving lawrence texas which was about outlawing or basically declaring sodomy -- anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional, he says not only in that court decision you can't deny a person's liberty in these cases to engage in intimate conduct but it's about something bigger. marriage is is not about having constant sex, it's about having a loving relationship. it's about people. >> right. >> not organs. let me -- >> it's about families. >> okay. you tell it your way. if it gets down to questions of liberty and equal protection of the law, fundamental
they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the...
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folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrat's hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you go in and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2% and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. i actually am beginning to believe that is the best route for us to take. >> but on "meet the press" house majority whip kevin mccarthy disagreed on giving way on tax increases while his counterpart in the senate, dick durbin, said the president was willing to go off the cliff if necessary. >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem. we don't want to be back here in another year, another ten years answering the same question, but the president's asking for higher rates. he's asking for more revenue. most economists agree the best way to get that is through closing special loopholes. you know what, when you close
folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrat's hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i think it has merit where you go in and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2% and all of a sudden the shift goes back to entitlements. i actually am beginning to believe that is the...
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he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend, dick morris, who said, i know there's a disagreement on when life begins in america, but for heaven's sake, we ought to agree that life ends when you die. >> now we know why congressman louie gohmert of texas feels so passionately about protecting the word "lunatic." >>> coming up, one of the world's biggest companies is coming back to america. they're not worried about profits. they're worried about the american workforce. we'll explain why, next. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, now is a good time to think about your options. are you looki
he voted for reduced rates on capital gains taxes. he voted to keep subsidies for oil and gas companies. that's a big one. but the best part of louie gohmert's crusade to protect the word "lunatic" is this -- >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so that al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. i don't want to make you sick, but i brought an abortion to show you today. and i would just like to conclude with words of my friend,...
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are you -- is there no deal at the end of the year if tax rates for the top 2% aren't the clinton tax rates, period. no ifs, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the rates going up on the top 2%. >> not necessarily going up to the clinton era rates. just going up. today at a press conference at the capital, boehner got a question about this. listen carefully to how he responded or didn't respond. >> you did speak with the president earlier this week. can you characterize this call? and also we understand that he just is making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit? maybe just not all the way to 39.6? >> the phone call was pleasant, but just more of the same. the conversations that the staff had yesterday, j
are you -- is there no deal at the end of the year if tax rates for the top 2% aren't the clinton tax rates, period. no ifs, ands or buts on that specific aspect of the fiscal cliff. >> with respect to the tax rates, i want to emphasize, i am open to new ideas. i'm not going to slam the door in their face. i want to hear -- i want to hear ideas from everybody. >> that's not a no. here is the treasury secretary timothy geithner. >> there's no agreement that doesn't involve the...
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tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in meetings and there was acknowledgement by both sides and that's why you had a letter of 40 republicans and 16 democrats that had revenue and entitlement reform in the letter six months ago. i think it's there. >> dave, let me ask you, quickly, let's say there's a deal. is it possible for a political win to come out of a deal for republicans? >> listen if we get to the successful conclusion that's moving things forward the country wants this resolved, right? being able to get to that resolution as a reflection then that you successfully governed
tax cut extension on the 98%. is there enough there that you think, before december 31st we get there? i know with the caveat we're all trying to read the tea leaves, from your experience what does it tell us. >> i think the political will is there. you see somebody like coburn, who has been working for over a year with people like heath shuler, democrat from north carolina and mike simpson, you know, put together a letter -- >> of idaho. >> right. not a moderate. we sat in...
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tax hikes today. i think he's trying to do what he can to deflate the opposition and essentially win this vote on saturday and sort of take this as a sign that he's now free to lead the way he wants to and use the military if necessary to enforce that lead. >> meantime let's talk about syria. the civil war there spilled over to lebanon where at least 17 people were killed in recent clashes. nbc news reported president assad is getting chemical weapons ready to use on his people. of course, they've denied it. where do you put the threat level? >> well, i think the threat level is certainly increasing. you know, we obviously don't have access to those intelligence reports. but you've heard lots of signs of alarm from u.s. officials that there are indications of these chemical weapons are being prepared for use. when you combine that with the signs that maybe assad's forces are in a little bit more danger from the rebels than they were before, you might think that perhaps the regime is becoming desperate
tax hikes today. i think he's trying to do what he can to deflate the opposition and essentially win this vote on saturday and sort of take this as a sign that he's now free to lead the way he wants to and use the military if necessary to enforce that lead. >> meantime let's talk about syria. the civil war there spilled over to lebanon where at least 17 people were killed in recent clashes. nbc news reported president assad is getting chemical weapons ready to use on his people. of...
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some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not at all clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package. if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration, the white house has been very clear, they will not sign anything, even to get past december 31st. that doesn't include a debt ceiling of some sort. so do you think they can hold firm on that if republicans offer them a package that doesn't include the debt ceiling? >> this is where i think the tension is now arising, which is even if you have some agreement over the tax rates which will jam the republicans a bit, can you jam them on the debt limit also. i think the concern will be an administration overstepping or overreaching and trying to jam a debt limit increase, especially the kinds that are being discussed now. i'm all in favor of getting rid of the
some increase in marginal tax rates coupled with some kind of cutting back on tax expenditures. the real concern is shifting or will shift from the fiscal cliff to the debt limit. it's not at all clear that the republicans will agree to including a debt limit increase in that kind of package. if they don't, we may get past december 31st only to find ourselves with a big problem in february or march. >> the obama administration, the white house has been very clear, they will not sign...
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most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially raising taxes on 98% of americans either through some kind of crazy deduction plan or just letting the bush tax cuts go, that can have a very, very severe effect on the economy. >> as usual dr. peterson makes a superb point. president clinton used to say if you want to live like a republican, vote for a democrat because they will give you better economics. and the fact of the matter here is if you poll economists, they will tell you that raising the rates on this top 2% has virtually no impact but when you begin to go after the mortgage deduction, when you begin to go after chair itses, that's when you have some economic chill you bring into the economy. so isn't it strange that the republicans and conservatives have said that obama doesn't understand the impact of fax policy on the economy whereas almost all economists are saying the obama approach is far superior to that that the republicans offer. >> thank you both for joining us on this friday afterno
most economists are telling us this tax increase will not have very much impact in terms of growth. if you talk about essentially raising taxes on 98% of americans either through some kind of crazy deduction plan or just letting the bush tax cuts go, that can have a very, very severe effect on the economy. >> as usual dr. peterson makes a superb point. president clinton used to say if you want to live like a republican, vote for a democrat because they will give you better economics. and...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> with respect to the issue of whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i have spoken about this recently, as i have said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. >> that was president obama in 2010. his evolution has progressed rapidly in less than two years. >> at a certain point i've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able it get married, and i continue to believe that this is an issue that is going to be worked out at the local level because historically this has not been a federal issue. >> soon the supreme court may go one step further and dec
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> with respect to the issue of whether gays and lesbians should be able to get...
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one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last remaining house race of the 2012 election cycle is pabt to come to a close. in louisiana, republican congressman charles boustany jr., jeff landry facing off in a runoff election. they were forced to run in the same district in bayou because of the state's shrinking congressional delegation. both conservative republicans, landry a tea party freshman. we'll keep you abreast of what happens. >>> meanwhile, high drama about to surround the high court as the justices agree to take on the high-stakes issue of same-sex marriage. ♪ >>> the man with that most-watched youtube video of all time due to perform for the president in a few hours. bu
one thing that will happen without an agreement, all the bush tax rates go away, so everyone's taxes are going to go up. you'll see that emphasized over the next couple weeks. you'll hear the white house talk about what a bad situation there will be after january 1 if this deal is not cut. >> david jackson, "usa today," shira toeplitz, "roll call." we appreciate your time so much we'll talk to you later in the hour as well. >> thank you. >>> the last...
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-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time. you needed the two weeks, i think. you hate to say it. you had to kill some time. you had to let the posturing happen. that's what washington feeds on. fair enough, it's just what they do. >> does this mean that john boehner has the confidence of the republican caucus, that he can go into a negotiating room with the president and not worry about getting, you know, having to pull 12 knifes out of his back after he comes back with a proposal? >> i think the whole thing of political posturing is a big issue n. talking with him and others, there hasn'
-- not touch this middle class tax bill. that worst case scenario they could come up with and i think kimberly wrote an op-ed about how the republicans could actually say, hey, he won't deal with us, fine, we'll give him the middle class tax rates and that's it. but you could see we now it's a debate, will it be a small deal like the one we described or the big deal? >> what do you think about boehner and the president both agreeing 0 to get together one-on-one? >> it's about time....
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there's no real reforms. $1.6 trillion in tax increases and some of the savings are tax increases. >> does that it congressman kohl is having these impure thoughts that he had categorized these thoughts. does that mean that? >> i think what tom cole brought this up in a meeting. you need to talk about a host of ideas. that's a chilling effect on members being able to express within closed doors their own ideas on this. that's the problem with that. there are a lot of strategies in terms of how we get there. i would agree with grover norquist on this. the proposal is a nonstarter with republicans and probably most people who have looked at it. we have to get closer to this. they are both very far apart and holding their ground. that's no way to settle it. >> so all this rang lg about the fiscal cliff isn't the goal. with the president asking for $50 billion in stimulus spending, do you worry they might be losing sight of that? >> the best thing for the country is to go over the fiscal cliff. it maximizing the deficit reduction. there's no deal cut between republicans and democrats. it'
there's no real reforms. $1.6 trillion in tax increases and some of the savings are tax increases. >> does that it congressman kohl is having these impure thoughts that he had categorized these thoughts. does that mean that? >> i think what tom cole brought this up in a meeting. you need to talk about a host of ideas. that's a chilling effect on members being able to express within closed doors their own ideas on this. that's the problem with that. there are a lot of strategies in...
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taxes, raising taxes is last on the list. we need to look at the spending side more than anything else. >> will there be a concerted effort to usher in a new era of compromis compromise? >> you know what, i look forward to seeing that. i've talked to people on the democratic side. and i said what can we do to put the party politics aside and let's put the country first? and it was interesting getting the feedback. because the any freshmen coming in seem to feel the same way. and i look forward to sitting down with them. and right now i'm not involved in that process. we're on the outside and i have an opinion just like everybody else. i know mr. boehner has been working real hard trying to work out a deal with mr. obama. and i just hope they can come to grips and terms so that we have some certainty. that's the biggest thing facing our nation as far as the business people. what washington has done is they've created a climate of confusion over the last five, ten years with their policies, rules, regulations and mandates. and
taxes, raising taxes is last on the list. we need to look at the spending side more than anything else. >> will there be a concerted effort to usher in a new era of compromis compromise? >> you know what, i look forward to seeing that. i've talked to people on the democratic side. and i said what can we do to put the party politics aside and let's put the country first? and it was interesting getting the feedback. because the any freshmen coming in seem to feel the same way. and i...
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taxes go up for everybody. there's automatic spending cuts across every sector of government spending. even ones that are critical for infrastructure in our economy. so that's why there's such interest in averting this fiscal cliff. and i think that we can do that by simply taking up the senate bill. we continue the middle class tax cuts. >> before i let you go, starting today, same-sex couples in washington were able to marry for the first time because the state's same-sex marriage law took effect on friday. the supreme court announcing on friday, the same-sex law took effect at midnight. the supreme court announcing friday it's going to wade into the same-sex marriage debate. as a politician who is openly gay, are we on the cusp of a tectonic shift of sourts with regards to marriage equality in this country? >> i sure hope so, those of us who strongly support equality are looking to the court to do something. like the loving case that allowed for interracial marriage. like brown versus board of education. it'
taxes go up for everybody. there's automatic spending cuts across every sector of government spending. even ones that are critical for infrastructure in our economy. so that's why there's such interest in averting this fiscal cliff. and i think that we can do that by simply taking up the senate bill. we continue the middle class tax cuts. >> before i let you go, starting today, same-sex couples in washington were able to marry for the first time because the state's same-sex marriage law...
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just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clinton, some are
just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't...
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now they've morphed raising taxes to tax cuts for the rich. he's playing out of a 1995 playbook and, yes, they won the election using a class warfare argument and god bless them. they're not going to win reelection. because he's not running again. when's he going to realize that? >> just a matter of -- >> and by the way, jon, i'm sorry, he's not running for reelection again, the 225 or 35 republicans are running for reelection. and i would tell every one, if he doesn't come to you with a deal, do not vote to raise taxes a cent. don't do it. don't do it. you'll get beaten and washington will spend that money and they won't cut again and the deficit will be $18 trillion a couple of years from now. okay. now go ahead. >> why the conversation to some extent isn't about phrases like disciplined investment. mark's exactly right. it's all about, we're going to make the rich pay. and the fair share gets close to that. but it's always about what we're going to raise. the first part of the conversation is taxes going up. and i think people are willing t
now they've morphed raising taxes to tax cuts for the rich. he's playing out of a 1995 playbook and, yes, they won the election using a class warfare argument and god bless them. they're not going to win reelection. because he's not running again. when's he going to realize that? >> just a matter of -- >> and by the way, jon, i'm sorry, he's not running for reelection again, the 225 or 35 republicans are running for reelection. and i would tell every one, if he doesn't come to you...
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tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential candidate, at one point, from hillary clinton to barack obama, from john kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to talk about how they're goi
tax the rich. tax the rich. we tax the rich. everything will be fine. if we don't tax the ruch, locusts will descend from the heavens. that's all they do. that's all they've been doing for ten years. after 9/11 we should have had sacrific sacrifice, but bush cut taxes on the rich. everything is about bush tax cuts. >> my favorite montage that we put together one time was during both the '04 presidential democratic primaries and the '08 democratic primaries, every single presidential...
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some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're starting to hear that more, and both sides may coalesce around that eventually. let's say we change the rates to 35% and 37% and you eliminate deductions, not the home mortgage because we're not going to get that. we're probably not going to get charitable. can you say $1.2 trillion if that's where we compromise and new revenues. >> capital gains, dividends, estate. >> if you're more aggressive. >> about half theway. >> let's say you aggressively go on capital gains, dif evidends >> you start to get close. >> david ig nanatiuignatius, ar to
some reduction in tax expenditures. the problem is it's not at all clear to me how the debt limit gets handled. people are forgetting about this other piece. we may have a deal over the fiscal cliff and then run into the debt limit in february. that would be a puriic victory. >> vus not goiit's just not goi happen. tell me, because you know these numbers better than anybody, other than people sitting in the white house that have looked at the very latest, but it seems like 37%. we're...